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Jaanik
(египетский воин)
2006/06/08 23:22
Re: Интеллектуальные развлечения new [re: Royal]архив 

"Вы же, кажется профессионально занимаетесь Пакистаном?"
Не... Это майа, т.е. иллюзия :bur2:
P.S. Я серьезен, как никогда и пришел к данному выводу путем "сомнений, во дни тягостных раздумий о судьбах моей родины" :inv:

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Jaanik
(египетский воин)
2006/06/08 23:36
Re: Интеллектуальные развлечения new [re: Шапик1]архив 

http://www.india.ru/boards/showthreaded.php?Cat=0&Board=life&Number=127727&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&part=
Маразм крепчал :crazy:

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Royal
(коварный визирь)
2006/06/08 23:37
Re: Интеллектуальные развлечения new [re: Jaanik]архив 

Jaanik, не наводите тень на плетень. Я вообще сижу - слушаю Офру Хаза - в Москве она есть, кстати? К дефиниции "пакистанца" мы еще вернемся ...

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"Весь мир театр, а люди в нем актеры"

Jaanik
(египетский воин)
2006/06/08 23:40
Re: Интеллектуальные развлечения new [re: Royal]архив 

"сижу - слушаю Офру Хаза"
А кто это? :158:

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mirjam
(сфинкс)
2006/06/09 00:42
Re: Интеллектуальные развлечения new [re: Jaanik]архив 

:158: как интелектуально.... :revenant:

Так ты Индиякингу обьяснил там в чём его проблема?

Royal
(коварный визирь)
2006/06/09 01:04
Re: Интеллектуальные развлечения new [re: Jaanik]архив 

Это так - оффтопик. Офра Хаза - израильская певица арабского происхождения. Послушайте ее исполнение Jerusalem of Gold. Слушаю сейчас попеременно: ее и Святослава Курашова (soundtrack к фильму "Свои")

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"Весь мир театр, а люди в нем актеры"

Nathuram
(аниматор)
2006/06/09 12:56
Re: Интеллектуальные развлечения new [re: Jaanik]архив 

<Маразм крепчал>

Немногим выше по ветке вы зареклись вспоминать этого "Вову -дравида", а сами его всюду (!) суете ? Как понимать вас - как натуру излишне впечатлительную или ветреную ???

Bharatmata ki Jai !!!

mirjam
(сфинкс)
2006/06/09 15:19
Re: Интеллектуальные развлечения new [re: Nathuram]архив 

Мне очень нравится, что именно ты тут о ветренности говоришь.



Aisha
(аниматор)
2006/06/09 20:47
Re: Интеллектуальные развлечения new [re: Jaanik]архив 

" "сижу - слушаю Офру Хаза"
А кто это?"
Скинула тебе 1 её песню, могу ещё кассету выслать...аудио :jok:

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Шапик1
(закат в пустыне)
2006/06/10 12:51
А что мы все мучаемся ? new [re: Royal]архив 

Ребят. А что мы все мучаемся? По вопросу о том, кто такой "пакистанец" и как оно должно выглядеть, все ж уже сказано давно умными людьми

"I know there are people who do not quite agree with the division of India and the partition of the Punjab and Bengal. Much has been said against it, but now that it has been accepted, it is the duty of everyone of us to loyally abide by it and honorably act according to the agreement which is now final and binding on all. But you must remember, as I have said, that this mighty revolution that has taken place is unprecedented. One can quite understand the feeling that exists between the two communities wherever one community is in majority and the other is in minority. But the question is, whether it was possible or practicable to act otherwise than what has been done. A division had to take place. On both sides, in Hindustan and Pakistan, there are sections of people who may not agree with it, who may not like it, but in my judgment there was no other solution and I am sure future history will record its verdict in favor of it. And what is more it will be proved by actual experience as we go on that was the only solution of India’s constitutional problem. Any idea of a united India could never have worked and in my judgment it would have led us to terrific disaster. May be that view is correct; may be it is not; that remains to be seen. All the same, in this division it was impossible to avoid the question of minorities being in one Dominion or the other. Now that was unavoidable. There is no other solution. Now what shall we do? Now, if we want to make this great State of Pakistan happy and prosperous we should wholly and solely concentrate on the well being of the people, and especially of the masses and the poor. If you will work in co-operation, forgetting the past, burying the hatchet, you are bound to succeed. If you change your past and work together in a spirit that everyone of you, no matter to what community he belongs, no matter what relations he had with you in the past, no matter what is his color, caste or creed, is first, second and last a citizen of this State with equal rights, privileges and obligations, there will be no end to the progress you will make.
I cannot emphasize it too much. We should begin to work in that spirit and in course of time all these angularities of the majority and minority communities, the Hindu community and the Muslim community – because even as regards Muslims you have Pathans, Punjabis, Shias, Sunnis and so on and among the Hindus you have Brahmins, Vashnavas, Khatris, also Bengalees, Madrasis, and so on – will vanish. Indeed if you ask me this has been the biggest hindrance in the way of India to attain the freedom and independence and but for this we would have been free peoples long long ago. No power can hold another nation, and specially a nation of 400 million souls in subjection; nobody could have conquered you, and even if it had happened, nobody could have continued its hold on you for any length of time but for this. Therefore, we must learn a lesson from this. You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place of worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed – that has nothing to do with the business of the State. As you know, history shows that in England conditions, some time ago, were much worse than those prevailing in India today. The Roman Catholics and the Protestants persecuted each other. Even now there are some State in existence where there are discriminations made and bars imposed against a particular class. Thank God, we are not starting in those days. We are starting in the days when there is no discrimination, no distinction between one community and another, no discrimination between one caste or creed and another. We are starting with this fundamental principle that we are all citizens and equal citizens of one State. The people of England in course of time had to face the realities of the situation and had to discharge the responsibilities and burdens placed upon them by the government of their country and they went through that fire step by step. Today, you might say with justice that Roman Catholics and Protestants do no exist; what exists now is that every man is a citizen, an equal citizen of Great Britain and they are all members of the Nation.
Now, I think we should keep that in front of us as our ideal and you will find that in course of time Hindus would cease to be Hindus and Muslims would cease to be Muslims, not in the religious sense, because that is the personal faith of each individual, but in the political sense as citizens of the State".

Presidential Address to the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan at Karachi
August 11, 1947

http://pakistanspace.tripod.com/archives/47jin11.htm

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